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Post by michalmermer on Feb 20, 2008 8:29:17 GMT -5
I 'm certain that strong arm tactic would affect pred after long range combat phase and no sooner.However the situation would be different if the rouges used free attack as they occur out of combat regulations.Events such as malfunction are played before the die is rolled so there's a difference .
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Post by nynax on Feb 20, 2008 12:19:20 GMT -5
Segment 1 of the Combat Resolution Phase is simultaneous ("Even though players take turns rolling the die, all Ranged Combat is resolved simultaneously, as if everyone is shooting at once.") - both the Rogues and the Predator get to have their "to hit" role, even though technically the Rogue gets to roll first and Strong Arm is played immediately after the hit.
Whether the damage will still apply in Segment 2 since the weapon is now dropped or controlled by another character is what would be up for debate.
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Post by tone on Feb 20, 2008 15:03:48 GMT -5
Will Ua s71c sentry guns Fire on Terminators that pass thru the location??? Infiltraitors (undamaged) and Future terminatiors???
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Post by tone on Feb 20, 2008 15:29:29 GMT -5
can resistance main characters open fire on ANY terminator with inflitraiton?? (terminator is undamaged..) Or do they have to wait a full round b/c the terminator declared an attack on them the previuos round...
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Post by nynax on Feb 20, 2008 17:21:06 GMT -5
Infiltration is only really related to controlling human supporting characters. The other rules apply normally.
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Post by Axlotl on Feb 20, 2008 18:42:19 GMT -5
Segment 1 of the Combat Resolution Phase is simultaneous ("Even though players take turns rolling the die, all Ranged Combat is resolved simultaneously, as if everyone is shooting at once.") - both the Rogues and the Predator get to have their "to hit" role, even though technically the Rogue gets to roll first and Strong Arm is played immediately after the hit. Whether the damage will still apply in Segment 2 since the weapon is now dropped or controlled by another character is what would be up for debate. The way you state it makes me think it could go either way.
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Post by tone on Feb 20, 2008 19:46:35 GMT -5
need an answer on this broken Medic Private Garstin...
he always removes all damage from a character while using his ability while he has a med kit. Does the med kit get used??? or does it stay on him even after use...because if so that is BROKEN with Sgt, kyle Resse (Rare version)
WAY BROKEN......
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Post by nynax on Feb 20, 2008 22:06:09 GMT -5
Axlotl: I pondered it for over twenty minutes. Rules are fairly ambiguous here. I would say, rules wise, that the shot gets off, but it does no damage thanks the item getting destroyed/removed. Personally, for realism, I would play it that the Pred gets its full attack, as the attacks are SUPPOSED to be simultaneous.
tone: Unless the effect says the medkit gets discarded, it does not get discarded. Rare Reese is a very useful character in this regard, but remember, you can always just do lethal damage to him in one round before Garstin will be able to heal him.
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Post by tone on Feb 21, 2008 8:32:20 GMT -5
"but remember, you can always just do lethal damage to him in one round before Garstin will be able to heal him. "
you can't heal people as damage is being applied??
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Post by Axlotl on Feb 21, 2008 19:08:52 GMT -5
"but remember, you can always just do lethal damage to him in one round before Garstin will be able to heal him. " you can't heal people as damage is being applied?? Correct.
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Post by michalmermer on Feb 22, 2008 9:51:52 GMT -5
About pred and rouges situation
Pred and rouges shot at ech other - rouges hit and play strong arm ,pred shoot - all damge is resolved - pred lose his weapon
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Post by nynax on Feb 22, 2008 12:21:32 GMT -5
About pred and rouges situation Pred and rouges shot at ech other - rouges hit and play strong arm ,pred shoot - all damge is resolved - pred lose his weapon Strong Arm says immediately after a hit, and hits are determined in segment one. Damage calculation and resolution is not done until segment two. Why would you think that the Pred would lose its weapon after segment two?
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Post by tone on Feb 22, 2008 12:41:19 GMT -5
myself i see both sides of it....to be fair about situation.
However....the card is clear, after the rouge HITS random item is dropped and in this case it was item that attack was declared with, so i'd say the rouge was extremly lucky and it acts similar to a malflunction, b/c the pred. never rolled to hit. item dropped. The R-M-P-A order works really well for this card.
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Post by nynax on Feb 22, 2008 13:08:49 GMT -5
myself i see both sides of it....to be fair about situation. However....the card is clear, after the rouge HITS random item is dropped and in this case it was item that attack was declared with, so i'd say the rouge was extremly lucky and it acts similar to a malflunction, b/c the pred. never rolled to hit. item dropped. The R-M-P-A order works really well for this card. The thing I have against this, rules wise, is that while the to-hit rolls are made in RMPA order, the rules state this is for convenience and the intention is that ranged combat is simultaneous. Still, the Pred would lose the weapon prior to damage resolution, so the effect is still the same - the Pred loses the attack.
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Post by tone on Feb 22, 2008 14:08:32 GMT -5
just to add a twsit on the issue....could multiple Strong arms be played on one attack therefore getting two or more items discarded??
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