What did you think of the Aliens vs. Predator 2010 game?

[Shaolin Yautja]

The last AvP game that had been released on multiple platforms (Xbox 260, PlayStation 3, and Windows PC) and made by the same company that made AvP for both Atari Jaguar and the PC: Rebellion Developments.

Who has played it? Which version did you play or own?

I 've played both the PS3 and the PC version. But only single player campaigns and the "Survivor" mode which is like a half-ass "Skirmish" mode that was present in AvP 1999/Gold Edition/Classic 2000.

I didn't really finish or get back to the PS3 version, although they are all more or less the same and identical when it comes to the single player campaign experience anyway. But I did complete the PC version 2 years ago when I got the chance to play it.

I thought it just didn't live up to my expectations. It had lots of potential, but they still blew it. Maybe not as terrible compared to the way Aliens Colonial Marines had turned out, but still could have been better.

The whole lack of crouch, and the melee combat mechanics is awkward to me. It's just really awkward with this rock paper scissors system with quick attacks, heavy attacks, and blocking. Although I had already completed the campaign completely with all species already, and I done multiple times till I finally finished it all on the highest difficulty setting that had been offered: Nightmare

But there just wasn't a whole lot more to do or offered. Once again, the community did not get the respect it deserved and we just never got a SDK, but I think that's mostly Sega's fault and to blame them for not being cooperative to give the community a SDK and modification and customization tools, such as a new custom map builder, but also thanks to the current business model of "DLCs" and microtransactions, although the DLCs were okay, I've only played the Survivor modes.

Unlike the Skirmish mode of AvP 1999/Gold Edition/Classic 2000, we cannot use or play as Predators in a "survivor" or "co-op" mode. Only Marines, and it's just not as fun compared to back then, much more annoying and harder. It's a half-ass co-op mode to me. Rather see a campaign format for Co-Op for an AvP FPS game for once.

The lack of a Full or Designated Co-Op campaign support for an AvP game is also something I'm getting tired of not seeing. If any developer ever see this and take note, please make a future FPS AvP Game to include either a full campaign that supports co-op instead of a just an "extra mode" like "skirmish" or "survivor", or "horde mode".

Rebellions's AvP 1999/Gold Edition/Classic 2000 at least gave us unlockable modes and extras that we can earn and play around with called "Cheat Options", but none of that is around this time around. So once the campaign was done, the only thing to really unlock is just skins specifically used for multiplayer games or "achievements" or "trophies". And those skins for multiplayer just don't really add anything or affect the actual gameplay unlike the various modes like WarpSpeed or LandOfTheGiants offered in AvP 1999/Gold Edition/Classic 2000 which actually made things interesting and made their single player campaign levels worth re-visiting and re-playing.

Well that's basically my two cents. What are everyone's thoughts on the Aliens vs. Predator game released back in 2010?

[Axlotl]

I got pretty tired rather quickly of the executions and the melee system.

I honestly preferred Colonial Marines multiplayer, as roughshod as it was (although the campaign is total dogshit).

[Shaolin Yautja]

May 26, 2018 2:29:58 GMT -5 Axlotl said:

I got pretty tired rather quickly of the executions and the melee system.

I honestly preferred Colonial Marines multiplayer, as roughshod as it was (although the campaign is total dogshit).

From what I heard the melee system is very problematic and abused constantly in multiplayer games as well as the execution or Trophy Kills? Although the front grabs can be countered occasionally, but not the One Button Quick "Cheap" Kills which is constantly abused and spammed as almost everyone abused the shit out of that one so skill is hardly relevant if at all. Although a Marine does not have this move, so they do not fall under this category of cheapness.

Almost all Alien and Predator players try to rush behind another distracted player and spam that One Button Instant Kill/Death move, which cheapened everything. So most of the time, especially for Marine players, you'd have to keep your back to the wall all just to prevent and avoid this kind of cheapness being abused, which surprisingly cannot be disabled or switched off at all for all multiplayer games. If they had done that with the patching process maybe that would have made it less irritating, or limit the total number of cheap instant kills going behind players' backs to no more than once or twice so it isn't constantly abused or spammed.

Speaking of Aliens Colonial Marines, when compared to AvP 2010, I can say that at least we can play through an entire campaign cooperatively together. Because Rebellion tends to avoid that kind of thing as if they don't like co-op campaigns or don't care at all for co-op campaigns for their games.

They've yet to prove me wrong if they were to ever make a whole new AvP game, in which I prefer one dedicated for Co-Op multiplayer experience for once. None of the "horde mode", "survivor", or "skirmish" Limited Bot matches again, because that's just plain laziness, mediocre, lame, uninspired, etc.

What I would love to see is a dedicated or even a Full Co-Op campaign for the Alien, where players work together to defeat AI controlled humans and Predators,

Why?

Because that's never exactly been previously implemented in ANY Alien game ever released.

Co-op against Aliens by Marines and Predators, we've seen plenty of that. Multiple games had that in the past. Skirmish mode for AvP 1999/Gold Edition/Classic 2000 was all Limited Bot Matches where players can only use Marines and Predators against computer controlled Aliens, and it was very limited bot matches on specific dedicated "Skirmish" and Co-Op supported maps, and not a complete campaign.

I mean I see the bias there that Co-Op to Rebellion means players can only work together against Aliens, but not the other way around?

They could have included an alternate "Skirmish" or Co-Op mode where players can use Aliens against an endless amount of AI controlled humans and Predators, even if it was Limited Bot matches and not a full campaign, but they never bothered to consider it.


One other thing, I still hated the NPC characters AI in Colonial Marines, specifically O'Neal. It would have been much more appropriate to have another player fill in as him during co-op altogether.

The other problem is the overscripting or overscriptedness of Colonial Marines.

Specifically for the bosses The Raven and the final Alien Queen levels.

We are completely restricted to killing The Raven using the Power Loader because that's the way it was pre-scripted and making it mandatory.

The same goes for the Alien Queen in the very final confrontation, because the player doesn't truly get to kill her, instead she can't be killed or harm at all by the players weapons, which is one of the reasons that it was the final straw and pissed me off, because that was completely anti-climatic to me.

Throwing a few switches just to complete the level and beat the Alien Queen? Well that's going to be even more easier to accomplish and execute in Co-Op multiplayer compared to Single Player mode don't you think so?

The only time it wasn't completely scripted and linear when it comes to Boss confrontations is during the Crusher battle since it CAN be killed by the players weapons, and it's flexible enough that players can use pretty much any weapon of their choice to beat the Crusher with, unlike the Raven and Queen bosses.

Also, introducing the Weyland-Yutani mercenaries too early in the game on the second level quickly ruined things, and I think many agreed they should have been introduce much later, such as after beating an Alien Boss, but I think it was Sega's fault on that part since they thought it would be much more marketable if the game is more a clone of "Call of Duty" FPS games. Sigh.

[doctordolemite]

I have the game on PS3. I enjoyed the single player mode and got almost all the troupies minus play with 6 friends. My friends arent really into AvP save for 2. The multiplayer was fun but the insta-kill feature was kind of stupid. I was meh about colonial marines but I didn play the shit out of bug hunt. That was close to old school 'skirmish' but with a modern twist.

[Shaolin Yautja]

May 28, 2018 5:53:16 GMT -5 doctordolemite said:

I have the game on PS3. I enjoyed the single player mode and got almost all the troupies minus play with 6 friends. My friends arent really into AvP save for 2. The multiplayer was fun but the insta-kill feature was kind of stupid. I was meh about colonial marines but I didn play the shit out of bug hunt. That was close to old school 'skirmish' but with a modern twist.

The Single player was too short. But I do like the challenge of trying to beat the game on it's hardest difficulty setting, especially with the Marine, as Nightmare really made things much more interesting. Especially for the really long level, Ruins. Very hard, but still doable. For the Alien it wasn't too hard. And the Predator, it only gets tricky and hard at the beginning, but once you get hold of the Disc and Combi-Stick, it really don't matter a whole lot anymore what difficulty you play it on.

The multiplayer trophies and achievements really aren't worth the time and trouble since you don't get rewarded with additional stuff or anything that would actually affect the gameplay and make the gameplay more interesting unlike how it was with the unlockable "Cheat Options" for AvP 1999/Gold Edition/Classic 2000.

And most of it was simply just button mashing the whole 1 button instant kills from behind other players backs, which made the experience more boring, repetitive and annoying than actually fun or interesting.

They should have added a "killable" Alien Queen in Bug Hunt mode, which I'm pretty sure once again, they did not bother to do.

Either that or a "killable" Raven where you are not required to use a Power Loader to kill, as I also didn't like that for multiplayer, in Single Player it's alright for story and plot purposes, but c'mon, give us some flexibility where it's optional as to what players can use to beat Alien bosses with.

At least for the last wave or so. And they did have limited waves of Aliens players must survive, think it was typically 30 waves altogether or around that much.

Because to me, that would have made up for the bullshit that the Alien Queen is only beatable in a pre-scripted event of throwing a couple of switches to end that very last level in the campaign. Sigh.

I forgot. Did they included Crushers in Bug Hunt mode for players to fight against? I doubt they did, would be great for the last couple of waves, but I wouldn't be surprised. You figured they would add them in near the end of the waves players must survive, since those are the bosses of the game.


It's also stupid they added Weyland-Yutani Mercs for "Bug" Hunt mode, as it's not "Merc" or "Human" Hunt mode.

Also the lack of a dedicated single player campaign for Alien, I always wondered, why not? How come?!